Alllrighty then.
So how about those Steelers!
So how about those Steelers!
#28
Fischer was Jewish himself. At the Palma de Mallorca Interzonal 1970 he and Reshevsky were exempt from playing on Saturdays for religious reasons. He converted later. He wrote to the Encyclopedia Judaica requesting to remove his entry, which they did.
Fischer was Jewish himself. At the Palma de Mallorca Interzonal 1970 he and Reshevsky were exempt from playing on Saturdays for religious reasons. He converted later. He wrote to the Encyclopedia Judaica requesting to remove his entry, which they did.
@tpr What's your source? Here's an excerpt from the letter that Fischer wrote to Encyclopaedia Judaica on June 28, 1984:
"Gentlemen:
Knowing what I do about Judaism, I was naturally distressed to see that you have erroneously featured me as a Jew in ENCYCLOPAEDIA JUDAICA. ... I am not today, nor have I ever been a Jew, and as a matter of fact, I am uncircumcised."
"Gentlemen:
Knowing what I do about Judaism, I was naturally distressed to see that you have erroneously featured me as a Jew in ENCYCLOPAEDIA JUDAICA. ... I am not today, nor have I ever been a Jew, and as a matter of fact, I am uncircumcised."
#33
At Palma de Mallorca Interzonal 1970 he and Reshevsky were exempt from playing on Saturday. Panno in protest refused to play in the last round so Fischer won by default after 1 c4.
Jews consider as Jew: all children born out of a Jewish mother.
Being circumcized or not, practicing the religion or not, observing the rules or not does not matter in this respect.
Fischer converted before the 1972 match.
As Fischer himself wished in 1984 to be retroactively considered not Jewish and as the Encyclopedia Judaica granted his wish does not change that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_chess_players
At Palma de Mallorca Interzonal 1970 he and Reshevsky were exempt from playing on Saturday. Panno in protest refused to play in the last round so Fischer won by default after 1 c4.
Jews consider as Jew: all children born out of a Jewish mother.
Being circumcized or not, practicing the religion or not, observing the rules or not does not matter in this respect.
Fischer converted before the 1972 match.
As Fischer himself wished in 1984 to be retroactively considered not Jewish and as the Encyclopedia Judaica granted his wish does not change that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_chess_players
Hello again, mr. potstirrer is back again 😁 (just kidding...) . Actually, what user tpr wrote is true: according to judaism, if you are born maternally jew, you're counted as a jew, no matter what. I think that annoyed mr. Fischer very much, since he wanted to distance himself from that as much as possible. But at least he freed himself from that "burden", so in the end he was the person he was supposed to be. And that in turn probably annoyed the jews, but that's a story for another time.. 😉
#34 Wikipedia is misleading people here.
If the person himself says in extremely clear words that he's not a Jew, he doesn't want to be called a Jew, is uncircumcised, and on top of that he doesn't look Jewish at all and his behaviour is also uncharacteristic - then probably media should not insist on calling him a Jew.
Fischer's nationality and citizenship were American - until he was totally mistreated, abused, robbed of all his memorabilia he had been collecting throughout his life, and as a result left the country for good - and so were his mother's (born in Switzerland though).
If Fischer was indeed exempt from playing on Saturdays (what's the source again, by the way?), it was due to his affiliation with the the Worldwide Church of God that started in the early sixties: hwarmstrong.com/ar/Fischer.html Find in the page "on the sabbath you have to rest".
If the person himself says in extremely clear words that he's not a Jew, he doesn't want to be called a Jew, is uncircumcised, and on top of that he doesn't look Jewish at all and his behaviour is also uncharacteristic - then probably media should not insist on calling him a Jew.
Fischer's nationality and citizenship were American - until he was totally mistreated, abused, robbed of all his memorabilia he had been collecting throughout his life, and as a result left the country for good - and so were his mother's (born in Switzerland though).
If Fischer was indeed exempt from playing on Saturdays (what's the source again, by the way?), it was due to his affiliation with the the Worldwide Church of God that started in the early sixties: hwarmstrong.com/ar/Fischer.html Find in the page "on the sabbath you have to rest".
#36
Here is a source on the Reshevsky and Fischer exemption to play on Saturday and on the win against Panno.
www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=79415
Wikipedia quotes a source for Fischer being Jewish
books.google.be/books?id=dDyEVDIA3aIC&redir_esc=y
Certain traits of Fischer look Jewish and his behaviour: excelling at chess is consistent with Jewish values and tradition.
Anyway Fischer was born out of a Jewish mother and later became vehemently anti-Jewish.
Fischer exiled himself from the USA by playing the revanche match with Spassky in Yougoslavia despite the cease and desist letter from the US State Department, on which he spat before rolling cameras. He could not re-enter the USA without risking jail for that.
This in turn made him anti-USA and applauding 9/11, which is the plausible reason why he was trapped and jailed in Japan on instigation of the USA.
Here is a source on the Reshevsky and Fischer exemption to play on Saturday and on the win against Panno.
www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=79415
Wikipedia quotes a source for Fischer being Jewish
books.google.be/books?id=dDyEVDIA3aIC&redir_esc=y
Certain traits of Fischer look Jewish and his behaviour: excelling at chess is consistent with Jewish values and tradition.
Anyway Fischer was born out of a Jewish mother and later became vehemently anti-Jewish.
Fischer exiled himself from the USA by playing the revanche match with Spassky in Yougoslavia despite the cease and desist letter from the US State Department, on which he spat before rolling cameras. He could not re-enter the USA without risking jail for that.
This in turn made him anti-USA and applauding 9/11, which is the plausible reason why he was trapped and jailed in Japan on instigation of the USA.
#37
I see. Fischer was Jewish because some people listed him as Jewish in some book according to some religious tradition😁. Yeah, right.
Are Magnus Carlsen or Wesley So also Jewish because they excel in chess?😁 Now let's wait for Muslims claim all of them were actually Muslim because Muhammad and Quran say so.
I see. Fischer was Jewish because some people listed him as Jewish in some book according to some religious tradition😁. Yeah, right.
Are Magnus Carlsen or Wesley So also Jewish because they excel in chess?😁 Now let's wait for Muslims claim all of them were actually Muslim because Muhammad and Quran say so.
#38
He's Jewish because of bloodline aka DNA from a Jewish mother.
Edit: @Former_Player Turns out his father was also Jewish O)_(O
don't know how much you can dispute the sources but it seems to add up via appearance etc.
He's Jewish because of bloodline aka DNA from a Jewish mother.
Edit: @Former_Player Turns out his father was also Jewish O)_(O
don't know how much you can dispute the sources but it seems to add up via appearance etc.
It appears that Fischer was born Jewish, prior to any conscious choice to refute his inherited identity or future choices to renounce it.
In the early 1960's, he was introduced to the teachings of Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God via radio broadcasts - a form of Christianity known for its anti-Jewish sentiment yet paradoxically advocating numerous Jewish (Old Testamant) practices, including Passover, the Feast of Tabernacles, tithing and the observation of a Saturday sabbath.
Hence, it is possible that Fischer's exemption of match play on Saturdays in 1970 for religious purposes was not necessarily due to personal Jewish faith yet may have been interpreted as such by the organizers of the event.
Furthermore, given that Fischer never formally renounced the Jewish identity bestowed upon him at birth until 1984 - decades after developing personal Christian beliefs that involved the observance of certain Jewish practices while simultaneously maintaining a very anti-Jewish social perspective made him quite a conflicted man, to say the least - which may account for his use of the expression "clean bill of health" to describe his removal from the Encylopedia Judaica.
In the early 1960's, he was introduced to the teachings of Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God via radio broadcasts - a form of Christianity known for its anti-Jewish sentiment yet paradoxically advocating numerous Jewish (Old Testamant) practices, including Passover, the Feast of Tabernacles, tithing and the observation of a Saturday sabbath.
Hence, it is possible that Fischer's exemption of match play on Saturdays in 1970 for religious purposes was not necessarily due to personal Jewish faith yet may have been interpreted as such by the organizers of the event.
Furthermore, given that Fischer never formally renounced the Jewish identity bestowed upon him at birth until 1984 - decades after developing personal Christian beliefs that involved the observance of certain Jewish practices while simultaneously maintaining a very anti-Jewish social perspective made him quite a conflicted man, to say the least - which may account for his use of the expression "clean bill of health" to describe his removal from the Encylopedia Judaica.
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